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I'd like to see some way to conditionally include wiki text based on
whether the wiki enables or disables certain features. For example,
[[ikiwiki/formatting]], could use `\[[!if (enabled smiley) """Also, because
this wiki has the smiley plugin enabled, you can insert \[[smileys]] and
some other useful symbols."""]]`, and a standard template for [[plugins]]
pages could check for the given plugin name to print "enabled" or
"disabled".
Some potentially useful conditionals:
* `enabled pluginname`
* `disabled pluginname`
* `any pagespec`: true if any of the pages in the [[ikiwiki/PageSpec]] exist
* `all pagespec`: true if all of the pages in the [[ikiwiki/PageSpec]] exist
* `no pagespec` or `none pagespec`: true if none of the pages in the [[ikiwiki/PageSpec]] exist
* `thispage pagespec`: true if pagespec includes the page getting rendered (possibly one including the page with this content on it).
* `sourcepage pagespec`: true if pagespec includes the page corresponding to the file actually containing this content, rather than a page including it.
* `included`: true if included on another page, via [[plugins/inline]], [[plugins/sidebar]], [[plugins/contrib/navbar]], etc.
You may or may not want to include boolean operations (`and`, `or`, and
`not`); if you do, you could replace `disabled` with `not enabled`, and `no
pagespec` or `none pagespec` with `not any pagespec` (but you may want to
keep the aliases for simplicity anyway). You also may or may not want to
include an `else` clause; if so, you could label the text used if true as
`then`.
Syntax could vary greatly here, both for the
[[ikiwiki/PreprocessorDirective]] and for the condition itself.
> I think this is a good thing to consider, although conditionals tend to
> make everything a lot more complicated, so I also want to KISS, and not
> use too many of them.
>
> I'd probably implement this using the same method as pagespecs, so 'and',
> 'or', '!', and paren groupings work.
>
> It could be thought of as simply testing to see if a pagespec matches
> anything, using a slightly expanded syntax for the pagespec, which would
> also allow testing for things like link(somepage),
> created_before(somepage), etc.
>
> That also gives us your "any pagespec" for free: "page or page or page".
> And for "all pagespec", you can do "page and page and page".
>
> For plugins testing, maybe just use "enabled(name)"?
>
> I'm not sure what the use cases are for thispage, sourcepage, and
> included. I don't know if the included test is even doable. I'd be
> inclined to not bother with these three unless there are use cases I'm
> not seeing.
>
> As to the syntax, to fit it into standard preprocessor syntax, it would
> need to look something like this:
>
> \[[!if test="enabled(smiley)" """foo"""]]
>
> --[[Joey]]
>> [[ikiwiki/PageSpec]] syntax seems perfect, and your proposed syntax for the `if`
>> [[ikiwiki/PreprocessorDirective]] looks fine to me.
>>
>> [[ikiwiki/PageSpec]]s don't give you `none` for free, since `!foo/*` as a boolean
>> would mean "does any page not matching `foo/*` exist", not "does `foo/*`
>> match nothing"; however, I don't really care much about `none`, since I
>> just threw it in while brainstorming, and I don't know any compelling use
>> cases for it.
>>
>> `enabled(pluginname)` will work perfectly, and `!enabled(pluginname)`
>> makes `disabled` unnecessary.
>>
>> A few use cases for `included`, which I would really like to see:
>>
>> * On the sidebar page, you could say something like \[[!if test="!included"
>> """This page, without this help message, appears as a sidebar on all
>> pages."""]]. The help text would then only appear on the sidebar page
>> itself, not the sidebar included on all pages.
>>
>> * On [[ikiwiki/blog]] entries, you could use `included` to implement a cut.
>> (Please don't take that as an argument against. :) ) For instance, you
>> could use included rather than [[plugins/toggle]] for the detailed
>> changelogs of ikiwiki, or to embed an image as a link in the feed rather
>> than an embedded image.
>>
>> Some use cases for `thispage`:
>>
>> * You could use `thispage` to include or exclude parts of the sidebar based
>> on the page you include it in. You can already use subpages/sidebar for
>> subpages/*, but `thispage` seems more flexible, makes it trivial to have
>> common portions rather than using [[plugins/inline]] with the `raw`
>> option, and keeps the sidebar in one place.
>>
>> * You could use `thispage` to implement multiple different feeds for the
>> same content with slightly different presentation. For instance, using
>> templates for image inclusion, you could offer a feed with image links
>> and a feed with embedded images. Similarly, using templates for cuts, you
>> could offer a feed with cuts and a feed with full content in every post.
>>
>> I don't have any particular attachment to `sourcepage`. It only makes
>> sense as part of a template, since otherwise you know the source page when
>> typing in the if.
>>
>> --[[JoshTriplett]]
This is now completely [[todo/done]]! See [[plugins/conditional]].
--[[Joey]]
> You rock mightily. --[[JoshTriplett]]
Is there a way to test features other than plugins? For example,
to add to [[ikiwiki/Markdown]] something like
\[[!if test="enabled(multimarkdown)" then="You can also use..."]]
(I tried it like that just to see if it would work, but I wasn't that lucky.)
--ChapmanFlack
> No, not supported. I really think that trying to conditionalise text on a
> page for multimarkdown is a path to madness or unreadability though.
> Perhaps it would be better to have .mmdwn files that can only contain
> multimarkdown? --[[Joey]]
>> Really, there was only one (or maybe two) pages I had in mind as appropriate
>> places for conditional text based on multimarkdown—the underlay pages
>> for 'markdown' and maybe also 'formatting', because those are the pages you
>> look at when you're trying to find out how to mark stuff up for the wiki, so
>> if MM is enabled, they need to at least mention it and have a link to the
>> MM syntax guide.--ChapmanFlack
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