Joey, do you have an ikiwiki served up on gopher, as an example, I can take a look at? I find this prospect interesting. I have a gopherhole, but no wiki in it. I was wondering, myself, if I symlinked a dirfull of dokuwiki pages in my gopherhole what that might be like...hmmmm. I might try that. tony baldwin | http://tonybaldwin.me | gopher://tonybaldwin.me