From 1ffa7ae34bab62f33efab663d67900c918e4c353 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: "http://smcv.pseudorandom.co.uk/" Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 21:55:11 +0000 Subject: brief responses --- doc/todo/transient_pages.mdwn | 67 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++---- 1 file changed, 62 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-) (limited to 'doc/todo/transient_pages.mdwn') diff --git a/doc/todo/transient_pages.mdwn b/doc/todo/transient_pages.mdwn index ea1ff6a8f..d3473d0f3 100644 --- a/doc/todo/transient_pages.mdwn +++ b/doc/todo/transient_pages.mdwn @@ -15,9 +15,9 @@ This would also be useful for autoindex, as suggested on [[plugins/autoindex/discussion]]. I'd also like to use it for [[plugins/contrib/album]]. -One refinement I'd suggest is that if the transient page is edited, -its transient contents are evaluated and used as the initial -content for the edit box; after that, it'd become a static page. --[[smcv]] +It could also be used for an [[todo/alias_directive]]. + +--[[smcv]] -------------------------- @@ -52,18 +52,40 @@ the transient underlay. There is a regression test. > but does it make sense to make that wart larger? > * You can know you can build the same site with nothing missing > even if you don't there enable autoindex or whatever. (Edge case.) -> + +>> I'm not sure that that's a huge wart; you can always "edit by +>> overwriting". If you're running a local clone of the wiki on your laptop +>> or whatever, you have the underlays already, and can copy from there. +>> Tag and autoindex pages have rather simple source code anyway. --s + > The benefit of using transient pages seems to just be avoiding commit > clutter? For files that are never committed, transient pages are a clear > win, but I wonder if adding configuration clutter just to avoid some > commit clutter is really worth it. -> + +>> According to the last section of +>> [[todo/auto-create_tag_pages_according_to_a_template]], chrysn and +>> Eric both feel rather strongly that it should be possible to +>> not commit any tags. I made it configurable because, as you point out, +>> there are also reasons why it makes sense to check these +>> automatically-created files in. I'm neutral on this, personally. +>> +>> If this is a point of contention, would you accept a branch that +>> just adds `transient` and uses it for [[plugins/recentchanges]], +>> which aren't checked in and never have been? +>> +>> One potentially relevant point is that configuration clutter only +>> affects the site admin whereas commit clutter is part of the whole +>> wiki's history. --[[smcv]] + > Anyway, the configurability > appears subtly broken; the default is only 1 if a new setup file is > generated. With an existing setup file, the 'default' values in > `getsetup` don't take effect, so it will default to undef, which > is treated the same as 0. --[[Joey]] +>> Noted. I assume a `checkconfig` hook is the way to fix this. --s + autoindex ignores pages in the transient underlay when deciding whether to generate an index. @@ -78,12 +100,19 @@ Not done yet (in that branch, at least): > Hmm, I'd at least want that to be dealt with before this was used > by default for autoindex or tag. --[[Joey]] + >> I'll try to work out which of the checks are required for security + >> and which are just nice-to-have, but I'd appreciate any pointers + >> you could give. Note that my branch wasn't meant to enable either + >> by default. --[[smcv]] + * Transient tags that don't match any pages aren't deleted: I'm not sure that that's a good idea anyway, though. Similarly, transient autoindexes of directories that become empty aren't deleted. > Doesn't seem necessary, or really desirable to do that. --[[Joey]] + >> Good, that was my inclination too. --s + * In my `untested/transient` branch, new aggregated files go in the transient underlay too (they'll naturally migrate over time). I haven't tested this yet, it's just a proof-of-concept. @@ -94,19 +123,47 @@ Not done yet (in that branch, at least): >> Here are some other things I'd like to think about first: --[[Joey]] >> >> * There's a FIXME in autoindex. + +>>> Right, the extra logic for preventing autoindex pages from being +>>> re-created. I've started on regression tests for this, but I'll +>>> need to rummage through the commit log for the exact requirements +>>> and the reasoning behind them, so it could take a while. --s + >> * Suggest making recentchanges unlink the transient page >> first, and only unlink from the old location if it wasn't >> in the transient location. Ok, it only saves 1 syscall :) + +>>> Is an unlink() really that expensive? But, OK. --s + >> * Similarly it's a bit worrying for performance that it >> needs to pull in and use `Cwd` on every ikiwiki startup now. >> I really don't see the need; `wikistatedir` should >> mostly be absolute, and ikiwiki should not chdir in ways >> that break it anyway. + +>>> The reason to make it absolute is that relative underlays +>>> are interpreted as relative to the base underlay directory, +>>> not the cwd. I could conditionalize the use of `Cwd` on +>>> `wikistatedir` not being absolute, though, which in practice +>>> will only happen for unusual deployments (like the docwiki); +>>> or I could add some mechanism by which you can add a +>>> cwd-relative underlay? --s + >> * Unsure about the use of `default_pageext` in the `change` >> hook. Is everything in the transientdir really going >> to use that pageext? Would it be better to look up the >> complete source filename? +>>> At the moment everything in the transientdir will either +>>> have the `default_pageext` or be internal, although I +>>> did wonder whether to make [[plugins/contrib/album]] +>>> viewer pages optionally be `html`, for better performance +>>> when there's a very large number of photos. +>>> +>>> A more thorough garbage-collection mechanism would be to +>>> use File::Find on the transient directory; I'll get there +>>> eventually. --s + -------------------------- ## An earlier version -- cgit v1.2.3